Interview with Oleksandr Panasiuk

"WITHOU GOD WE CAN DO NOTHING RIGHT OR GOOD"

An interview with the head of the Kyiv Nativity Congregation Oleksandr Panasiuk taken by editor of Banner Vasyl Korshak.

- Brother Oleksandr, tell the Banner readers of about yourself.

- I am grateful to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for this great blessing to be and serve in His Church, the Church He founded while living in this world among ordinary people like we are. But before the Lord brought me to church I had a long way to go. It was my way of searches, disappointments and joys, ups and downs, internal fight with evil forces and myself. It took 18 years of my life…
I was born on November 8, 1958 in Zdolbuniv, North-west of Ukraine to the family of workers. When I was 5 years old my parents moved to Kyiv.
I was raised here, studied and live now. I'm 47. I am married and have two adult sons. I am interested in Christian literature, history, computer software. I work as a night watchman.
When a child I loved listening to stories told by my granny and Mom about God Jesus Christ, His disciples and the church. Those were simple stories based on folk traditions and customs because at that time neither my parents nor many other people in this country had an opportunity to have and read the Word of God. They believed but in their own way. They had their own understanding of many serious things but they were sincere in their beliefs. It could not have been differently at that time. Their stories emanated some kind of warmth, love, something very near and dear but at the same time - very sad. That was probably the time when they put the seed of faith in my heart; it later started growing and made me look for God and His truth.
When a schoolboy I often asked myself serious questions. I wondered about creation of the man. The issue of death, good and evil, sufferings and joy, the essence of life always interested me. Noone could give answers to my questions that would satisfy me.
I didn't agree with Darwin's theory of evolution, according to which the man originates from the ape. But I could not explain or substantiate my thoughts because I did not know much.
I graduated from the high school, then - technical college, department of radio equipment. I started working and later I was drafted to the army. But the questins that bothered me were not answered. For some time I had peace. Those disturbing thoughts and questions seemed useless and futile. I led quiet and peaceful life.
Then I got married. We had two sons in our family. My wife and me were very happy. Everything was good in our family peace, love and harmony.
Now I know that when we think that things are going well in our lives, it is not exactly so because the life is not full without God. I believe that the main values of a human life are God, the church and the family. Without these three components neither a person, nor a society can have peace, happiness or well-being. I came to this conclusion much later. At that time I was far from such a thought…

-What brought you to the Lutheran church?

- It was 1987. That was the year that partially changed my life. I was hospitalized with bronchial asthma. My bed was next to the one of a man who was a real believer. He talked a lot about God, about Jesus Christ and His sacrifice for us sinful people. Listening to his stories I felt that something was growing inside me. Those were unforgetable moments in my life.
When I was a schoolboy I dreamt of having a Bible and my dream finally came true. I haven't even seen it before. I started reading the scripture but little understood. I read the whole book from the Genesis to Revelation in 4 months. Later I came to know that one should study the Bible not just read it. I tried to do so but it's practically impossible to do it on your own. There should be someone who can help you to understand what is unclear, to direct you to the right path, to encourage and support. When a person starts reading and pondering the Word of God there appear a lot of pitfalls that we can run into. They can smash us. It's very hard to get up and heal. This is true. I myself had such an experience.
I took various Bible classes, participated in meetings, seminars and lectures of different religious teachings. It was too much and my head spinned.
It is very hard for a person to find the right way in this life, especially if you rely on your knowledge and experience and when we forget the most important, namely that our knowledge is imperfect, our nature is sinful, and we always run astray. There's nothing right or good we can do without God. So, 11 years out of 18 years of my search for the True Church of God I spent with sects, 2 years - with Jehovah's Witnesses, and then - 9 years wi th the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints. This is the way Mormons call themselves.
As you can see I went from one extreme to another, or to be precise from one heresy to another.
First their teachings seemed to be true and from God, even as sweet as honey but the further I went I could see nothing but darkness and emptiness, disappointment and despair.
I am grateful to God that He took me out of that dead-end.
In 2003 I left the sect. I started thoroughly reading the New Testament and came to the conclusion that presently there is True Church of god on earth because that's what the Holy Scripture says. And it is unerring. How could I find this church in our town?
I prayed about that for 6 months. Once on the Internet I found a link to the Russian site of the Lutheran Hour Ministry. For three weeks I thoroughly studied the information on the site. They also had correspondence Bible classes. First it put me on my guard but I prayed and decided to try. I received the first three lessons and thoroughly studied the topics offered there. I did not find any contradictions with the Bible. I was so impressed those lessons seemed to be created especially for me. I was so happy. I have finally found the true Bible teaching. Upon completion of the Bible classes I received the Small Catechism by Martin Luther. That little book radically changed my views and converted me into a Lutheran.
It was easy. I wrote a letter to the person in charge of the Bible classes and asked for addresses and phone numbers of the Lutheran churches in Kyiv. I called the Episcopate and was told the place and time of the worship service at the Nativity congregation. I came there. After the worship service and the conversation with pastor Yuriy Fizer I knew that was the chuch I had been looking for for 18 years of my life.
Later I took Catechism classes, was confirmed and elected as a treasurer of the congregation.

- People in your church elected you to be a head of the congregation. What is the congregation for you? Tell us about it.

- I am grateful to the Lord that my life is the way it is. I became a different, new person. But the credit does not belong to me. This is the work by the Holy Spirit and the whole glory for this belongs to our Lord ans Savior Jesus Christ!
It is the third year since I've become the member of the congregation. Right now I cannot imagine myself outside the church. Our congregation has become part and parcel of me. Naturally I want the congregation to grow. Unfortunatelly, it is not always the way we want it. We have our own problems, challenges and difficulties.
In September last year I was elected as the head of the congregation. It is a great honour and responsibility for me. There's much work to be done. In spring last year attendance in our church dropped. I believe it is a temporary phenomenon. With God's help we'll stand this testing time. It is too bad we do not have our own worship facility. Thus, we cannot have the activities that would make the congregation grow, develop, get stronger and attract young people. There's no future without the youth.
Due to the lack of financial means we cannot rent any church office. Consequently we have no place to have events for evangelization, youth groups and many other things. We have to cope with all the difficulties.
I believe that the Lord will bless our congregation and we'll have our own church building with class-rooms. But we are to do something for this end.

-Tell us about the Internet page of the congregation. Does it bring any results?

- In April last year I was eager to tell as many people as possible about our congregation. For this purpose we created an Internet site. Here's the address www.nativity-ulc.com . On this site you'll be able to find the information about our congregation, short teaching of the Lutheran denomination, sermons by pastor Yuriy Fizer and pastor Vadym Zinchenko. We also have rubric Thoughts of Faith with personal stories and spiritual reflections. Since I have this opportunity I'd like to turn to brothers and sisters in Christ with a request to send in their stories of spiritual quest. They will be placed on our site. It might be your story that will help someone to come to God's church.
No one of those who saw our web-site has jointed our congregation yet. However, through the preaching of the Word the seeds are planted in hearts of people. Some day these seeds will grow and change people's lifves just like it happened to me 3 years ago.

-Your Christmas greetings to brothers and sisters in Christ.

- My dear brothers and sisters. In this holiday season I 'd like to greet you with the great event - the Nativity of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and wish you that the star of Bethlehem shine in your hearts. I wish you to have a happy and peaceful life so that neither you, nor your dear ones know pain grief, or povety. May the sun of God's love and truth always shine on your horizon.
May this holiday bring great joy to your homes. May God bless you with His abundant gifts!

Brother Oleksandr, thank you for your story. May Jesus Whose advent we await, bless you, your family and the Nativity congregation with His generous gifts!


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Ukrainian Lutheran Church - 2004
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