An Interview with Dr. John C. Lawrenz

 

Professor, you left Ukraine last summer. What is your ministry now?

When I was still in Ukraine I received a divine call to serve as professor of Old Testament at a new seminary in Asia in the city of Hong Kong. Because this was a very important decision, I decided to wait until I returned to the United States so that I could talk with my colleagues on the seminary faculty in the United States. After consultation with them and others, the Lord led me to decide that my future ministry would no longer be in America, but in Asia. At first I was going to teach one semester at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary and then move with my wife to Hong Kong in early 2004. I received an urgent request to abandon that plan and teach as soon as possible in Asia. Twelve students were ready to attend classes. So I left America the first week in October. My wife remained in the United States because the Lord was about to bless us with two new grandchildren. One was born on September 27. Another is coming in December. So Phoebe remained in America and I flew alone to Hong Kong. The board that supervises the seminary in Hong Kong then appointed me to be president of this new seminary. So today I serve both as president and professor of Old Testament.

Thank you, professor. But this seminary does not exist independently, does it? Does it train ministers for the church? Tell readers of the Banner about it.

I grew up in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS) where I received my training and which I have served since I was ordained in 1973. The Wisconsin Synod has supported missionaries in Hong Kong for over 30 years. Today there is a daughter church in Hong Kong that is called the South Asia Lutheran Evangelical Mission, abbreviated SALEM. It has three pastors and eight congregations and about 1000 to 1500 members. The members of SALEM are brothers and sisters in Christ, also with the Ukrainian Lutheran Church. I worship with them and I'll be a preacher there. I will also receive holy communion with them. They are a young church, they have good pastors, and they hope and pray that they can be as successful in Hong Kong as the ULC has been in Ukraine.

SALEM had its own very small seminary until just before 2000. Until then the WELS missionaries were the teachers. Because of the small size SALEM, this seminary could not be continued when SALEM became an independent church and missionaries were not replaced. Two years ago the Wisconsin Synod made a complete study of mission opportunities, not only in Hong Kong, but also in all of China—in fact in all of south Asia. China alone has 1 billion, 300 million people. A decision was made by the WELS that its best opportunity to share the Gospel was to reopen a seminary in Hong Kong, not just for SALEM, but for all of Asia. So the seminary received a new name and a new start. Asia Lutheran Seminary will be supported directly by the WELS for Asia. Many of the students that I currently teach had taken courses in the old seminary and now they are interested in finishing their studies. We also have two students from Taiwan and hope to attract others from outside Hong Kong.

Professor, you have served for many years in the USA as a professor of Old Testament. You have taught courses for students at St. Sofia Seminary in Ukraine. And now you work in Hong Kong. Do national peculiarities influence the unity of Lutherans in Christ?

As a pastor and a professor my first thought is that all people are the same. All of them are sinners. All of them have weaknesses. God's Holy Spirit works in all of them for repentance and for the desire to be baptized. Once they are baptized they become part of one universal church and receive the same spiritual benefits, whether that's in America, Ukraine, or Hong Kong. Having said that, I would also tell you that this world is a very interesting place and every country and every nation is slightly different. I said to the Sobor in November that I considered Ukraine my second home with America being my first home. I really mean it! The people of Ukraine have been so kind to me. I have enjoyed serving here so very much . I would say also, brother Vasyl, that my one and a half years in Ukraine gave me the courage from God to take this new assignment in Asia. People in southeast Asia have no long history of Christianity. That is one major difference. The ULC has built on top of a long history of Christianity in Ukraine and have a beautiful liturgy and a beautiful tradition. None of this exists in Asia. Everything involved in Christianity in China is borrowed from elsewhere.

Chinese are a people that have a strong sense of respect for older people. I am now 61 years old and that is an advantage because immediately I have respect for my age. Chinese also have a high respect for education. In fact in Hong Kong it would be very difficulty to be a Seminary professor without a doctor's degree. They expect that. Almost all of the people in Hong Kong are going to some kind of school—practical school, trade school, also schools for theology. Everybody seems to be in school. It is important for true Lutherans to have a seminary with strong professors. I hope to borrow teachers also from the ULC and invite men from other countries to be guest professors at my new seminary. I have been invited by Rector Webber to teach one Old Testament course at St. Sophia each year in the future. So I look forward to leaving Hong Kong for Ternopil in March 2005. I would like Bishop Horpynchuk to teach at Asia Lutheran Seminary someday soon. He has a doctorate now and this will be a good opportunity for him to teach in another part of the world as I have done.

One more thing about the Chinese people. They have a strong sense of what they call "saving face." This means that they don't like to be embarrassed in front of others and are quite sensitive. If you have a problem with someone you must be extremely polite and careful. Usually you work through a third person. If you and I had a problem, for example, I would not talk directly to you at first, but would talk initially with a mutual friend. This is strange to Americans. We prefer to be direct. But being blunt in China gets you in trouble. So you see that I have many things to be careful about.

Ukraine has taught me so much. And before I went to Ukraine I taught three summers in India. I have been many other places so when this call to Asia came, the Lord told me, "John, you have the had a life full of experiences around the world. There are few people who have all the qualifications to teach in Hong Kong. How can you say 'no'?" Vasyl, my heart is still in Ukraine, but the Lord has called me to work in Hong Kong. Fortunately, I have been in Hong Kong for two months now. I can say that I have no second thoughts, no regrets. I'm happy to be here at the Sobor. I'm very happy to be with you, but God asks you to serve where He wants you to be, not always where you may want to be.

Professor, how do you manage to teach, not knowing the language? Do you work through an interpreter?

My first job is to run the seminary and teach like Rector Webber runs the Ternopil seminary and teaches there. This is my major task. To do this I will use English, which is the second language in Hong Kong. Yes, I will use interpreters, just like I have done in Ukraine. And, Phoebe and I will begin to take lessons to learn to speak Chinese in everyday life. Only God knows if I have the ability to learn another language at my age. I will also preach and give lectures to the people of SALEM in English. There will be a translator at my side to repeat what I say in Chinese. I have already done this in Ukraine.


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